Sep 13 2007
Word War III, iNazi on acid
Yet more Brilliance from God’s Christian Warriors…
Shore-Leave OIC posted…
Not that posting this will change anyone’s opinion as ignorance is a choice, but I ‘ll post it anyways. Once in a while I have a conversation with a “sheople” that has been fed the lies of mainstream society and despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary actually believe the law enforcement should be the only armed member of society and will protect you in time of need. There have been many papers written about the lie behind gun control but I will just cut to the chase and publish what I believe gives a fair and unbalanced opinion. Thank God for freedom of speech.
The following [see his blog] is another good short movie you should watch and encourage others to be aware (even has a nice way to email itself) to others. This film deals with something many Americans never had to face, what happens when self-defense is outlawed. Many Americans feel firearm ownership is necessary for self-defense against rising crime rates, but the real threat comes from uniformed thugs and oppressive governments.
“Myth: Gun Control Reduces Crime”
Kønig Hasemörder said…
Victim man, “I turned around and showed them the business end of a pistol”. Mustache man, “Just pulling out the gun was enough to stop them.” Victim man, “Yeah, it works. Merely having a weapon and being able to display it, when I was threatened saved my life.”
A gun should be pulled to shoot, not to scare.
September 12, 2007 4:19 PM
Shore-Leave OIC said…
A gun should be pulled to shoot and not to scare, but I tend to think that in the drawing phase so called “tough guys” immediately retreat. The few people who I know who actually have had to draw a weapon outside of combat, within milli-seconds of the weapon being drawn the “bad guy” ran away.
You don’t want to be the guy who shot someone in the back trying to defend yourself. If you draw it and the so called “hard” badass turns into a smurf and runs for it, you just reholster your gun and that’s it. But yea, your intent should be to SHOOT and not scare.
Though in many self-defense cases the prosecution WILL ask you if you gave a verbal warning, fired a warning shot, displayed your firearm even though you and I know better, a jury of our “peers” doesn’t.
[The other video] isn’t some back country “ya’ll need guns” flick either. I found this over at stoplying.ca which has some pretty good articles and videos. Of course some people will dismiss anything on the website as it seems extremely liberal but I don’t discriminate where I get information from, so I like to hear views from the whole gaumet ASSUMING these views are articulated and coherent, not just someone’s personal “bent” with little to no justification. All to often “pro gun” websites just boil down to “everyone is stupid, read this!” and it the link is either the Turner Diaries or some other drivel that is heavy on opinions and personal beliefs.
September 12, 2007 5:47 PM
Woozie said…
I still find it funny that some people who say the Second Amendment doesn’t protect the people’s right to bear arms say that the comma (…security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed) is just a pause to catch your breath-but they can’t find another comma like that anywhere else in the Constitution.
September 13, 2007 6:51 AM
Shore-Leave OIC said…
People will believe what they want to. I can only hope I am not making a similiar error in my thinking. I often think to myself if the right to bear arms can really help in peventing genocide. Does it give mankind the right to resist, does it equal the playing the field? Or will those that are weak in mind and body destined to be lambs for the slaughter. Do defenseless people choose to be that way, would they rather comply with the hope of survival than fight for their right to live?
I often wonder about some of the victims of genocide such as in Germany or under the Khmer Rouge. These people remind me so much of the American Idol/fast food eating people everywhere. The combination of ignorance and arrogance boggles the mind, and they sew their own fates. And even when they can riot, as they are being hauled off in train cars…they don’t.
It reminds me a lot of the people in Virginia Tech. A few students and teachers knew things would end badly and attempted to help others or try to bum rush Cho, but others just sat there, either oblivious to what was going on as they were busy checking their email or iPods and I’m sure others just “froze” and took the bullets or played dead. Hoping maybe the crazed killer would miss or he would think they were dead. Playing possum and hoping for the best is no means of survival. God is often absent in these times, and why should he be present. We have all the tools and decision making ability to fight or at least die fighting. I don’t think we are supposed to just die like cows in a cattle shoot.
Banning guns helps no one, its like taking the horns off wild beast in an attempt to lower fatalities by hikers. Its been proven it doesn’t work yet people still try to “make” it work for their own political agendas and to secure their own power.
Its really scary that in the second video, the laws and registrations necessary to own and purchase a gun are similar in California. What is even more disgusting is that these big powerful governments also had a fear of “edged weapons”. The whole “violence” argument doesn’t hold any weight, they wanted total control and in order to do that they needed to “de-fang” society. An edged weapon? Seriously if you already outlawed guns why are you now going after edged weapons? Afraid you might get stabbed while raping someone? Its ridiculous.
But the really sad thing is some states and many politicians feel the exact same way, its as if they looked at the same video as said, “These are some good ideas!”, the same could be said of George Orwell’s 1987 (or whatever year)…patriot act….that’s another story.
Having guns for self-defense is good, having a few extra and an assult rifle for a SHTF situation, hostile takeover, or some door to door deportation of “illegal immigrants” or “minorities” is better, but if anything, at least having one means you die fighting and standing, not naked and half starved, seperated from your family in some prison. But guns alone don’t ensure your safety from criminals or oppression, it is, as was said in Full Metal Jacket, “The cold heart that kills” a warrior mindset if you will, the desire not to be a victim.
September 13, 2007 7:20 AM
Kønig Hasemörder said…
“Playing possum and hoping for the best is no means of survival. God is…”
Are you really this stupid? I would have thought natural selection would have taken care of you years ago. Oh that’s right, you joined Bushes army, it’s only a matter of time.
In case you haven’t picked up on it yet, I’m not supporting outlawing guns and I also feel it’s a good idea for competent, mentally stable, home owners to have one inside and practice at the range from time to time. Got me, Tom?
What are your thoughts of this? Updating the outdated principle of the second amendment to include this clause. Bearing arms requires one to bear them, not conceal them.
September 13, 2007 8:15 AM
Shore-Leave OIC said…
Konig, what little respect I had for you is gone. This is going past words. I don’t know what your bent is and I really don’t care. You got your own blog, if you want to vent against people who are in your president’s army then go do it over there. Try to keep things on the discussion or STFU.
Who’s Tom?
I don’t think the 2nd amendment is outdated. There is a reason the US is a constitutional republic as opposed to a total democracy, and its to prevent people like you who “know better” from screwing everything up.
You don’t like like the president, you don’t like this country, you don’t like the constitution. Fine, then take your happy ass to the nearest international airport and GTFO. The United States isn’t the only country on the planet, you want something more to your liking then go to Canada or England, you won’t even have to learn a second language.
I tried to answer the rest of your drivel but was unable to formulate a half descent response because I had no idea what your point was.
You don’t have to post at my blog, I’m sure you can find likeminded people elsewhere on the internet.
September 13, 2007 10:14 AM
Kønig Hasemörder said…
“This is going past words.”
Is that a threat my friend? Should I pull out my Shield? It’s “Direct” not “Total” Demockraweed. And the Constitution was written by Atheists and Deists to keep idiots from creating A “Christian Nation” and the “Good fight” that inevitably follows.
I’ll leave you alone. Go find an IED.
I don’t think he’s a Christian.
At the risk of getting too personal (and changing the subject), have you considered that your opinions are informed too strongly by your own experiences (such as your father’s extremism), rather than a bigger picture.
No one can step outside of the skin (until, perhaps, after we die). But you have recently lauded the ability to have an out-of-body conception, limited to “conscious” animals (worthy of avoiding your dinner plate).
I think you need to travel farther from the provinces of your own mind and experience.
This should not be interpreted as an endorsement of Mr. Officer In Charge. But at the same time, I am much closer to his understanding of the second amendment than to yours, nukes notwithstanding.
“The middle road is almost always the fool’s road: the roads of moderation, common sense, and careful planing.
However, there is a time for moderation, planning, and common sense.”
- The Road to the Western Lands
If you have not read it, please do. And by all means, get the album “Seven Souls” by Material.
God loves what you do and say, brother.
The Director gives the orders, Sekem presses the right buttons.
He, she, or it is third man out … depicted as flying away across a full moon, a bird with luminous wings and head of light. Sort of thing you might see on a screen in an Indian restaurant in Panama. The Khu is responsible for the subject and can be injured in his defense — but not permanently, since the first three souls are eternal. They go back to Heaven for another vessel. The 4 remaining souls must take their chances with the subject in the Land of the Dead.
This is a hawk’s body with your face on it, shrunk down to the size of a fist. Many a hero has been brought down, like Samson, by a perfidious Ba.
The Ka, which usually reaches adolescence at the time of bodily death, is the only reliable guide through the Land of the Dead to the Western Lands.
My opinions are formed from my experiences, but also logic. And I know many other people that carry guns besides my dad. My step father stopped packing his .32 when he went to draw his weapon, for no other reason than a flared temper. I don’t even understand why you and Mr. Officer think my views are radical. I have stated several times I am pro gun ownership and that I enjoy shooting. What I’m against is the Wild West. I’ve been in dozens of conversations with conseald fire arm enthusiasts. It’s not about self defense, it’s about getting off on a power trip.
The arguments about citizens carrying pistols to Wal-mart so they can “save the day” when billy bob goes physco, grabs the shot gun in the sporting section and starts killing customers are just week. Run and call the fucking police. Oh that’s right, these colors don’t run, do they? Never, never, we’re to smart to run for help.
If a criminal has a gun pulled on you, your gun will get you killed. Thieves want your wallet, not a shoot out.
If your about to get raped, a tazer will immobilizing the perp. NRAers make ridiculous arguments against non lethal weapons because non lethal is not cool. If the streets are so dangerous that citizens need to be armed, I’d be all for every person carrying an TASER M18. But even in America’s most violent city, Good old New Orleans, it’s not even necessary if you use your brain and don’t put your self in compromised positions. Your more likely to get hit by a drunk driver. Why aren’t more people wearing nurf cloths?
If you were in a crowd of panicked armed violence novices, would you rather them have .50 caliber Desert Eagles or stun guns? Answer honestly.
WOW. As I was posting you did a daisy cutter comment cluster. DON”T buy a gun thimscool. Hire a security guard.
Shazamn, beyoitch!
Fuck a Kebler Elf!
“Officers are already on the scene, and we have it under control.”
While the “officers” (which should imply responsible authority) were hiding behind trees and talking on their radios:
“Just give me the go, captain, and I’ll waste these creeps. Until then, I’ll stand here behind this tree and listen to the pretty gunfire. How many dirtbags are there, sir?”
“We don’t know yet. Hold your position, Rambo. We need to be certain.”
Bunch of fucking bullshit. Save yourself, and salvage your conscience by calling 911 after you run away… fine for the periphery, but if I was stuck in one of those classrooms, I’d want a piece. Wouldn’t you?
Stun guns. I think that part of the responsibility of gun ownership is training.
Impossible to measure… it’s just a gut feeling question.
Here is another: do the elite keep their actions in check because of fear of armed rebellion? Consider the answer in many times and places, and draw a conclusion.
@ thimscool - 14 Sep 2007 at 4:25 am
Thanks for demonstrating a weak argument. It couldn’t have been done better. If two student had M18 tazers, Mr. Emo could be depressed behind bars now. But even if some students had high powered guns and bullet proof vests, it still doesn’t mean the situation would have turned out like smelling of daisies. I speculate that a person who plans out a mad rampage might have some advantage over people thrown into the situation. And the argument that several of the students could have teamed up on him with guns is null and void because they could have teamed up on him with out guns. Your the one who admits even trained professionals may have had difficult time with a freak in heat.
@thimscool - 14 Sep 2007 at 4:26 am
How do you train a person to stay calm in a situation that’s sure to overwhelm there senses? The army spends months programming soldiers to stay calm and many of them still shit their pants.
@THIMSCOOL are you drunk?
The future of America:
First of all, while I answered your question, you did not answer mine. I’m sure it was an oversight caused by your sobriety.
Secondly, I said nothing about student’s teaming up on him, method man. I asked if you would not rather have a gun if you were stuck in a classroom where this guy was giving a hollow point lecture. No. You’d rather have a taser. Even if you were more than 15 feet away. That sounds like an honest answer.
A person is not trained to be calm. Even the elite forces cannot hope for that result. Instead, they select the candidates that they think will stay calm under fire. That would be something that is ingrained.
However, a person can be trained to be accurate, in spite of their adrenaline. If you are suggesting that I said that every studnt in that class should have been armed, then you just can’t read. The point is that NO STUDENT IN THAT ROOM WAS ARMED BECAUSE IT WAS ILLEGAL. If one or two students were armed, and self-selected by being the type that would be willing to train for accuracy, then they might have been some use (and it would be more likely with ballistics than with some frikin taser). But even if there were such students, they would risk arrest/expulsion for carrying to class…. so none were there.
As for the trained professionals outside of the classroom, you have “done the best job possible of demonstrating a week [sic] argument.” They were outside of the classroom. They had no presence or knowledge of the unfolding situation.
Yeah. I’m drunk. Demonstrate how I’m wrong, or admit that (me drunk) > (you concentrating).
The VaTeck incident was atypical. The shooter was suicidal, which gives him an super colossal unfair advantage against anyone. Stating that “if” two self selected policing civilians carried guns to school, they would have prevented the tragedy is just false. You don’t know that they would have been successful. In all likelyhood they would have made Mr. Emo’s run more exciting. They would have had to deal with the same problems the actual police did.
The weakness of the argument is presenting a no win situation as evidence of the need to have civilians carry concealed blasters. You’ve even incorporated into your argument for self selected gun totting civilians, a reason against. How are the police supposed to instantly distinguish the perp person with a pistol from a vigilante? Good guys just look good, right?
If half the students had tazars the incident could have been avoided. However, Mr. Emo wasn’t stupid; had he known that a quarter of the students had uzis or half the students had Tazers, he would have simply changed his attack to poisoning, fire, or explosives. But no, he sat at home masturbating over his pistols and dreamed of the hail of bullets he would go out in.
Your argument against tazers is non existent. IT is the middle ground, young Jedi. Your argument is for a small arms, arms race. A planing criminal could always have a fire power advantage. If the Universities were so dangerous everyone was carrying derangers he would have just prepared with a bullet proof vest. Then the tazers would have been infinitely more desirable than a hand gun.
Now I’m sure there will be many arguments about how the tazars the police use on a regular basis are just not good enough. Since this country is becoming the wild west why don’t you design a pistol that shoots tranquilizers. You know gun powder projected darts with a 50 yard range and a 8 shot magazine. Not even close to sounding cool, hugh?
Oy vey. Both of you are spending too much time on this…
Things worth having are worth cheating for.
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