Comments on: I know you believe http://robertsutton.net/blog/2007/12/20/i-know-you-believe/ The Μετακόσμια Weltanschauung Thu, 04 Dec 2008 23:50:55 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.2 by: thimscool http://robertsutton.net/blog/2007/12/20/i-know-you-believe/#comment-673 Thu, 27 Dec 2007 04:34:57 +0000 http://robertsutton.net/blog/2007/12/20/i-know-you-believe/#comment-673 Well I guess it was a glitch in Wordpress... so much for my opportunity for self pity. Well I guess it was a glitch in Wordpress… so much for my opportunity for self pity.

]]> by: thimscool http://robertsutton.net/blog/2007/12/20/i-know-you-believe/#comment-672 Thu, 27 Dec 2007 04:33:13 +0000 http://robertsutton.net/blog/2007/12/20/i-know-you-believe/#comment-672 Am I censored now, or is it a glitch? If I am censored, then we all have another reason to pity me... ;) Am I censored now, or is it a glitch? If I am censored, then we all have another reason to pity me… ;)

]]> by: thimscool http://robertsutton.net/blog/2007/12/20/i-know-you-believe/#comment-671 Thu, 27 Dec 2007 04:31:31 +0000 http://robertsutton.net/blog/2007/12/20/i-know-you-believe/#comment-671 Well that's what I call progress. A couple of days ago you were shouting your frustration, and now you feel sorry for me. So tell me... how meaningful is the life of an impoverished Indonesian that got snuffed out by the Boxer Day Tsunami three years ago? Prior to their watery death they lived an illiterate life, in a day to day search for food... they never made any lasting art, or any contribution to science, literature, or the global economy. You are worth more than them, aren't you Robert? Your life has more meaning, doesn't it? But to put it in perspective, your life will probably have less meaning than Mr. Darwin... ~~~ If you believe that meaning is objective and love comes from God (Holy Spirit), then the differences between humans all pale in comparison to God's majesty and capability... so we are all equal from a God's eye view. Do you embrace your subjective valuation of each human's worth, or do you think that there is an innate objective value in every human, independent of any God's judgment? If so, what is your objective standard? If not, then given your stance on over population, did you cheer on the tsunami as it killed all those useless eaters? Well that’s what I call progress. A couple of days ago you were shouting your frustration, and now you feel sorry for me.

So tell me… how meaningful is the life of an impoverished Indonesian that got snuffed out by the Boxer Day Tsunami three years ago? Prior to their watery death they lived an illiterate life, in a day to day search for food… they never made any lasting art, or any contribution to science, literature, or the global economy.

You are worth more than them, aren’t you Robert? Your life has more meaning, doesn’t it? But to put it in perspective, your life will probably have less meaning than Mr. Darwin…

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If you believe that meaning is objective and love comes from God (Holy Spirit), then the differences between humans all pale in comparison to God’s majesty and capability… so we are all equal from a God’s eye view.

Do you embrace your subjective valuation of each human’s worth, or do you think that there is an innate objective value in every human, independent of any God’s judgment?

If so, what is your objective standard? If not, then given your stance on over population, did you cheer on the tsunami as it killed all those useless eaters?

]]> by: Hasemörder Kønig http://robertsutton.net/blog/2007/12/20/i-know-you-believe/#comment-670 Wed, 26 Dec 2007 21:12:58 +0000 http://robertsutton.net/blog/2007/12/20/i-know-you-believe/#comment-670 Thanks for the Christmas wish Roland. It came true, I'm goin' back to Cali. Thanks for the Christmas wish Roland. It came true, I’m goin’ back to Cali.

]]> by: Hasemörder Kønig http://robertsutton.net/blog/2007/12/20/i-know-you-believe/#comment-669 Wed, 26 Dec 2007 21:11:00 +0000 http://robertsutton.net/blog/2007/12/20/i-know-you-believe/#comment-669 I feel sorry for you thimscool. I know that you believe that being a "child of the lord" gives your life infinitly more meaning than knowing that we're just <i>simple</i> human beings. For some reason I've never had to have a spin on the meaning in my life. Even a little meaning down here is infinitly more meaning than the amount meaning on the moon. I feel sorry for you thimscool. I know that you believe that being a “child of the lord” gives your life infinitly more meaning than knowing that we’re just simple human beings. For some reason I’ve never had to have a spin on the meaning in my life. Even a little meaning down here is infinitly more meaning than the amount meaning on the moon.

]]> by: thimscool http://robertsutton.net/blog/2007/12/20/i-know-you-believe/#comment-666 Wed, 26 Dec 2007 17:30:30 +0000 http://robertsutton.net/blog/2007/12/20/i-know-you-believe/#comment-666 Quite. It was a slip of the fingers. Objective reality is what I meant. Having said that, an objective meaning puts quite a different spin on my subjective meaning. Your first sentence reminds me of this song: http://www.lyricsdownload.com/talking-heads-the-facts-of-life-lyrics.html I wish I could find a link to a performance. If you haven't listened to Naked then you haven't listened to the Talking Heads. Quite. It was a slip of the fingers. Objective reality is what I meant.

Having said that, an objective meaning puts quite a different spin on my subjective meaning.

Your first sentence reminds me of this song:
http://www.lyricsdownload.com/talking-heads-the-facts-of-life-lyrics.html

I wish I could find a link to a performance. If you haven’t listened to Naked then you haven’t listened to the Talking Heads.

]]> by: Hasemörder Kønig http://robertsutton.net/blog/2007/12/20/i-know-you-believe/#comment-664 Wed, 26 Dec 2007 05:44:06 +0000 http://robertsutton.net/blog/2007/12/20/i-know-you-believe/#comment-664 My god uses imagiphotons and lovejuice. He's an all organismic god. Your not even using a "christian" argument. Your argument should be that the cake and frosting have <b>objective</b> meaning because of The Almighty's love. I surely don't need <i>god</i> to have meaning in my sugar. My god uses imagiphotons and lovejuice. He’s an all organismic god.

Your not even using a “christian” argument. Your argument should be that the cake and frosting have objective meaning because of The Almighty’s love. I surely don’t need god to have meaning in my sugar.

]]> by: thimscool http://robertsutton.net/blog/2007/12/20/i-know-you-believe/#comment-663 Wed, 26 Dec 2007 03:55:55 +0000 http://robertsutton.net/blog/2007/12/20/i-know-you-believe/#comment-663 My mom makes the best cake in the world, for me. I bet if you tasted it, it would be no better than, or perhaps worse than, the product of a competent pastry chef. But then again Robert, that is because you can't taste my mom's special fairy dust in the recipe. Like water for chocolate, love is the best seasoning. God used atoms, and photons, and forces and magical instantaneous action at a distance... but the cake and frosting have subjective meaning because of His love. My mom makes the best cake in the world, for me.

I bet if you tasted it, it would be no better than, or perhaps worse than, the product of a competent pastry chef.

But then again Robert, that is because you can’t taste my mom’s special fairy dust in the recipe.

Like water for chocolate, love is the best seasoning. God used atoms, and photons, and forces and magical instantaneous action at a distance… but the cake and frosting have subjective meaning because of His love.

]]> by: Roland http://robertsutton.net/blog/2007/12/20/i-know-you-believe/#comment-661 Tue, 25 Dec 2007 16:46:02 +0000 http://robertsutton.net/blog/2007/12/20/i-know-you-believe/#comment-661 I know you don't want it, but "Frohe Weihnachten!" I know you don’t want it, but “Frohe Weihnachten!”

]]> by: Hasemörder Kønig http://robertsutton.net/blog/2007/12/20/i-know-you-believe/#comment-659 Sat, 22 Dec 2007 16:02:47 +0000 http://robertsutton.net/blog/2007/12/20/i-know-you-believe/#comment-659 I don't believe the cake Roland. I know the cake and love the frosting. The religious are the people who insist there's fairy dust in the recipe. Why they aren't satisfied with flower and sugar is beyond them and doesn't make any sense to me. I don’t believe the cake Roland. I know the cake and love the frosting. The religious are the people who insist there’s fairy dust in the recipe. Why they aren’t satisfied with flower and sugar is beyond them and doesn’t make any sense to me.

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